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Page 43 below relates to enquiries received during 2011Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1900 Renault Type B
Photo received from Edward Scott (UK) asking for our thoughts on the make / model of the attached? The passenger is his wife's great great grandmother aged 86.  -- Two of our experts think it is a cca 1900 Renault Type B 2.75HP with a De Dion Bouton Engine. Louis Renault was button maker turned car maker who trained at boilermaker Delaunay Belleville. Started car manufacture with Model A in a boat house in family back garden. Renault used De Dion and Aster engines until 1903.

1900 Renault Type B 2.75HP

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Niclausse 15HP Landau
Interesting cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a British TV mini-series "A woman of substancemade in 1984, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB.  Story about a woman rags to riches rise and attempts of kids to remove her from her business.  --  This took some searching as the car is a quite rare and only three said to survive. Made in France by a company of boilermakers, hence round rad, this is a cca 1907 Niclausse 15HP, - with a padded seat for a poodle!

1907 Niclausse 15HP Landau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1907 Brasier Tourer
We had an invitation from Leif Holmberg (Sweden) to visit the website of Automobilhistoriska Klubben where there are many photographs recently placed of cars needing investigation. We have had a look at a few and have come up with some answers. -- Made by a French 1850 photographic equipment manufacturer Richard, with brothers Georges initially with Belgian Vivinus connections and were joined by Brasier from Mors,  who then left to form Unic.  This is cca 1907  Brasier Tourer

1907 Brasier Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908 Daimler Double Deck Bus
Slightly grainy photo received from Jane Shrimpton (UK) specialising in dating dresses, of a local Brighton/Hove bus, with driver and conductor. It is undated, but from dress clues it is about 1910-ish?  -- Registration was issued by London County Council 1906 to 1908, so probably went to Brighton a number of years later. Relatively sure the chassis is a Daimler and the body could be by the people mentioned on the plate on the bonnet, but too low res to make out. Looks terminus at Kemp Town?

1908 Daimler Bus in Brighton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1908 Vauxhall A & 1907 Benz Sports
Photo received from B. Williams (USA) asking if we could identify the two automobiles in the photo. He believes the auto on the right is a Type A Vauxhall.  -- Indeed yes, the car on the right is a cca 1908 Vauxhall Type A. A were made from 1908. Both cars appear to carry a BK registration which appears British and would have been issued by Portsmouth CBC. No dating data remains. The car on the left appears to be earlier and looks a  cca 1907  Benz  Tourer. Interesting Scout scene.

1908 Vauxhall  A and 1907 Benz Sports

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 LGOC Type B Double Deck Bus
Another interesting photo received from Jane Shrimpton (UK) specialising in dating dresses/fashion, of a London bus being being traffic directed by a policeman. She was interested in dating the bus.  -- Registration letters are not quite clear but appear to be LA which is a London County Council issue in Summer 1911. The bus is therefore a cca 1911 LGOC Type B Double Decker built by the London General Omnibus Company,  originally Anglo-French company,  operating London busses.

1911 LGOC Type B Double Decker Bus

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer
Photo received from William Hall (UK) who is the Star Membership Secretary, saying he put a cca 1919 photo on the PreWarCar website but that they have not come up with an identification.  -- In view of such esteemed lack of competition we confirmed with John Warburton and Bruce Dowell that this indeed is a cca 1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer (possibly 16'20 but would need to see the axle). We all agree that the body is  quite unusual,  and is unlikely  to have been made  by Sunbeam.

1912 Sunbeam 12'16 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Siddeley Deasy Ambulance
Photo received from Alan Weeks (UK) saying he had come across this fascinating car on an RFC/RAF website. Thought we might like to identify it.   -- Great selection of photos on this site which appear to have no identifications or comments. This photo is of a cca 1913 Siddeley Deasy Military Ambulance. Captain Deasy had left the company he founded and was replaced by JD Siddeley, from Wolseley. Became Siddeley Deasy and 1919 became Armstrong Siddeley to 1960.

1913 Sidddeley Deasy Ambulance

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1913 Minerva Knight Tourer
We had an invitation from Leif Holmberg (Sweden) to visit the website of Automobilhistoriska Klubben where there are many photographs recently placed of cars needing investigation. We have had a look at a few and have come up with some answers. -- This one has the radiatior which is typical of a Minerva from Belgium but also has a telltale statuette on the filler car which says this is a cca 1913 Minerva Knight Tourer.  Minerva retained  the Knight  engine throughout  its production.

1913 Minerva-Knight Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Morgan Grand Prix
Photo received from Alan Weeks (UK) saying he had come across this fascinating car on an RFC/RAF website. Thought we might like to identify it.   -- Great selection of photos on this site which appear to have no identifications or comments. This photo is of an early cca 1914 Morgan Grand Prix car made after a Morgan three wheeler won the French Grand Prix at Amiens in 1913. It was excluded at the RAC Lightcar and Cyclecar Trial in 1914 because of only having three wheels !

1914 Morgan Grand Prix

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1914 Darracq 16HP Tourer
We had an invitation from Leif Holmberg (Sweden) to visit the website of Automobilhistoriska Klubben where there are many photographs recently placed of cars needing investigation. We have had a look at a few and have come up with some answers. -- This one comes from Suresnes, France from a 1885 Gladiator bicycle manufacturer. Made licensed Leon Bollee electric cars and in 1900 the first of line of great successes. Also founded ALFA. This is a  cca 1914 Darracq 16hp Tourer.

1914 Darracq 16HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1915 REO 5 Passenger Touring
We had an invitation from Leif Holmberg (Sweden) to visit the website of Automobilhistoriska Klubben where there are many photographs recently placed of cars needing investigation. We have had a look at a few and have come up with some answers. -- Made by Ransom Eli Olds in Lansing Michigan, USA, when he left the Olds Motor Works in a huff in 1904 when the directors wanted to discontinue the Curved Dash. Formed new co in 1905, and this is a cca 1915 REO 5 Passenger Touring.

1915 REO 5 Passenger Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1919 Calthorpe 10HP Tourer
Interesting photo received from Nick Jeffrey (UK) taken in early January 1920 near Marylebone Registry Office where the occupants had just got married. He is American, she is English. Amazing website, - thank you for your dedication in developing it. -- Your comments much appreciated !! Registration letters are not quite clear but appear to be OE which is a Birmingham County Borough Council issue in Summer 1919.  The little car built in Birmingham is cca 1919 Calthorpe 10 Tourer.

1919 Calthorpe 10HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1920 Benz E6 Touring Car
We had an invitation from Leif Holmberg (Sweden) to visit the website of Automobilhistoriska Klubben where there are many photographs recently placed of cars needing investigation.  -- This car has a spitzkuhler radiator typical of the period and looks like a large post WW1 Benz.  Benz had a round badge with white background centrally on the rad point. Our John Warburton agrees and thinks this is  bigger than the  W10  or  DS2  so is probably a  cca 1920 Benz E6 27/70 Tourer.

1920 Benz E6 Touring Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1923 Daimler Landaulette
Interesting cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a British TV mini-series "A woman of substancemade in 1984, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB.  Story about a woman rags to riches rise and attempts of kids to remove her from her business.  --  This looks like a cca 1923 Daimler Landaulette, probably D16. Daimlers of the day were considered more respectable than Rolls Royce and were used  by  monarchs  of  many  countries  including  UK and  Russia.

1923 Daimler Landaulette.

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1929 DeSoto K Coupe perhaps
Slightly grainy photo received from Goran Persson (Sweden) taken in the wilds of Sweden probably shot 1937. His mother and her sister, with their husbands on their way from Vindeln (near Umeå) to Umfors (close to Tärnaby). Is it possible to identify it?  -- The photo is a bit fuzzy, shot from the back, and the entire car is hidden; - so not much difficulty there! Pity the chap in the dickey seat! Looks like a coupe from the smooth roof. Educated guess has it perhaps  cca  1929 DeSoto K Coupe.

1929 DeSoto K Coupe perhaps

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1936 Frazer Nash Shelsey
Unusual enquiry from Andrew Kerr (UK) who is attempting to identify a vehicle shown in cutaway form on a print by James A. Allington. The print's owner is interested in selling it to raise funds for a small charity he runs, so would be interested to know value.-- Our John Warburton confirms this is the 1939 Frazer Nash Shelsey that Allington owned and which went up for auction in 2002, and Tony Clarke of MotoringArt thinks  that  it  does  not  look  like any  special  limited edition  drawing.

1936 Frazer Nash Shelsey Sports

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1937 Wanderer Glaser Cabriolet
Very landscapy photo received from Raoul Rainer from Stuttgart (Germany) which he had purchased in an atiques shop in Austria. Carries post war licence plate bur Raoul thinks the car is 1930s.  -- Taken from a difficult angle, we are relatively sure this is a cca 1937 Wanderer Cabriolet with coachwork by Glaser. Audi, Horch and Wanderer had very similar bodies for a while but we think this is a W23 or W24. Little confused by wheels with holes and full width rear bumper.

cca 1937 Wanderer Glaser Cabriolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1939 Morris 25 S3 Saloon
Photo received from Jason Graham, Dunedin (New Zealand) saying he is looking at this car as a restoration project. What can we tell him?  -- This is a cca 1939 Morris 25 S3 Saloon. Only about a thousand were built between 1937 and 1939. This is a Series 3 model, a big car with a 3.5 litre 6 cylinder engine, 95.4 BHP, three speed gearbox, top of the range, and probably quite a rare car. Body colur radiator cowl, later models had a proper exterior access boot, which not clear from photos?

1939 Morris 25 S3 Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1903 Unknown Two Seater
One of three photos received from Gordon Jamieson (UK) asking if we can identify the cars.  They all belonged to his great-grandfather who had a bicycle shop on The Wirral in Cheshire. His first car was a curved dash Oldsmobile. By 1911, on the census return he was a cycle and motor agent.   --  CM 184 is a Birkenhead CBC issue of 1903 but none of our experts have been able to pinpoint the make. It looks like a French Lacoste based car which was sold in UK under a number of other names.

Perhaps a Lacoste & Battmann based car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Perhaps a cca 1919 Hillman 11HP
Picture posted by Phil Crane on the AACA website asking for identification. Photographed in 1927 England but he thinks it is not British.   --  Another car that has not been fully cracked. Primary identification feature is the the two sets of four bonnet louvers divided by a lifting handle. Handle is of the UK pattern as are the louvers. We are relatively sure this is a cca 1919 Hillman 11HP made in Coventry. Our  John Warburton  suggested the  Autocrat  but it had three louvers?

Perhaps a 1919 Hillman 11HP

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1923 American Touring Car
One of a couple of photos received from Claude Wiegand  (USA) who is trying to find out the model name and year of the car that his grandparents owned. --  The photo has a major developing fault in it which splits it into two sections. No problem to repair but no help once repaired. None of our experts have been able to nail it, not even our friends at the AACA. We thought it was a cca 1923 Buick, others thought a  mid 20s Hudson,  yet others Lexington,  and some it is a Flint.

cca 1923 Unknown American Touring Car

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1925 Unknown Spitzkuhler Radiator
Another photo received from Dmitry Dashko (Russia) asking for our opinion on the make of the attached?  Year indicated is 1925 Russia.  -- Although this looks easy, none of our experts have been able to come up with a name. The shape is common to a number of cars from 1920s Germany, Austria and Italy. The spitzkuhler radiator is not detailed enough. The radiator star mascot confuses even more but could have been a political one.  Shortlist of makes is  Durkopp, Fiat, NSU and Puch.

1925 Unknown Spitzkuhler Radiator

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:  Rolls Royce Silver Ghost Barker Tourer
Lovely photo received from Mohammed Khan (Abu Dhabi) who is trying to trace three Rolls Royces which belonged to his Great-Great-Grandfather Nawab Rasool Yar Jung of Hyderabad-Deccan, India. The picture is of Silver Ghost Barker Tourer RR 61-CW; also searching for Phantom 1 Connaught Tourer  83-SC and a Hooper Cabriolet 12-NC.  -- We regret this enquiry is too specialised for us as we have no ways of tracing individual cars. We have published the details in case anybody has any information to help. Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club have records.

Rolls Royce Silver Ghost Barker Tourer in Hyderabad

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