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Page 39 below relates to enquiries received during 2011.Click on picture to enlarge

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1904 registered Argyll Tourer
Photo received from John Hissey (UK) whose Grandfather J J Hissey wrote 14 books on tours around Britain pre WW1. John sent us a photo we determined is a 1906 Sunbeam, asking is it a 1908 Argyll? He then sent us this.  -- Indeed an Argyll but from the Registration AP 601, not a 1908 unless the numberplate was transferred. AP 601 is an East Sussex registration issued very late 1904. This radiator and body shape did commence in 1905 and did carry on, but square mudguards by 1908.

1904 registered Argyll Tourer.

FURTHER INFORMATION:1905 Boyer 10'12
Photo received from Bogdan Coconoiu (Romania) of an Invoice issued in Bucharest in August 1905 for what he believed was a 'Beyer' car. He could not find any info on that make. -- We have enlarged letters 'e' and 'o' in the invoice and are sure that 'e' in 'Beyer' is an 'o' and that the name of the car is 'Boyer'. Boyer cars were manufactured near Paris France. The latest photo of a Boyer I have found was 1902 model. The later '05 10'12 may have been similar to the car sold in England as "JP".

1902 Boyer Rear Entrance Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Possibly cca 1907 Star Tourer
Interesting enquiry received from Roger Paine (Canada) with entries from a register for a "JP" car. -- Our John Warbutton feels the picture could be a Star and we asked for a better photo but Roger could not take it out of the frame. We therefore cannot proceed further. "JP" cars were made in France but sold in UK. Quite possible that the owner transferred original 1905 number to his new car in 1906, hence same make but change of body / engine size.  - Shame it remains unresolved.

Possibly 1907 Star

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1906 Sunbeam16'20 Tourer
Photo received from John Hissey (UK) whose Grandfather J J Hissey wrote 14 books on his tours around Britain pre WW1. John is researching them and asks if car is an 1908 Argyle. -- Sorry No. John Warburton advises it is a cca 1906 Sunbeam16'20 Tourer; Bruce Dowell - Sunbeam Registrar & Historian - confirmed it, and David Hales found records that JJH registered a khaki Sunbeam 12 February 1904 and further khaki Sunbeam 16'20 registered AP1015 in January 1906. Wow!

1906 Sunbeam 16'20 Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1908 Maxwell Model M Tourer
Photo received from Elizabeth Adams of the Walkertown NC Historical Society (USA). The society is writing a pictorial history book and she is authoring the comments on the photos which are part of a chapter on transportation.-- This is a cca 1908 Maxwell Model M Touring. Square mudguards and central bar in the radiator point to year. Very popular significant manufacturer who made nearly 10,000 cars in 1908. New Castle, Indiana, was then largest plant in world. Became Chrysler Corp.

1908 Maxwell Mode M Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1910 Daimler 15HP Tourer
Lovely photo received from our Duch Correspondent Fer Cools, purchased from a local flea market. -- Photo shows two cars in front of an impressive garage block with a dovecote, too clean to be in use. Both vehicles have no numberplates. The tyre in the centre background is 'Continental', suggesting Europe. In the UK numberplates became compulsory in 1904 so unlikely the photo was taken in UK. This car has carbide lamps,  is very English,  being a cca 1910 Daimler 15 HP Tourer.

1910 Daimler 15HP Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1911 Arrol-Johnston Tourer
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a British mini series "Wings"  made in 1976, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. WWI storyline about young Englishman trying to become a fighter pilot and overcoming class prejudices.   --  The car is relatively unusual being a British cca 1911 Arrol-Johnston Tourer and wrongly identified as a Renault. Originally 'Mo-Car Syndicate', 1905 + cars were made in  Scotland by the ' New Arrol - Johnston Car Co ', then in Paisley.

1911 Arrol-Johnston Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1911 EMF Demi Tonneau
Photo received from Elizabeth Adams of the Walkertown NC Historical Society (USA). The society is writing a pictorial history book and she is authoring the comments on the photos which are part of a chapter on transportation.-- This is a cca 1911 EMF Demi Tonneau.  Difficult to identify initially but main identifying point is guard plate just above the running board below the rear door. EMF were trading between 1908 and 1912 and  made  25,000  cars in  1911.  Eventually became  Studebaker.

1911 EMF Dem Tonneau

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1912 Mercedes Simplex Tourer
Photo received from our John Warburton (UK) who received it from a friend asking identification.  -- My thoughts are this is a cca 1912 Mercedes Simplex. Both Benz and Mercedes had round badges during 09/13 period. The three pointed star was about 1910 so the round badge would have been some form of Daimler badge. DMG Daimler wheelnuts had Daimler etc around the rim and Cannstatt diagonally across the hub cap. Six section rad is typical of the Simplex. Similar car.

1912 Mercedes Simplex Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1912 Cadillac 30 Four Touring
Lovely photo received from our Duch Correspondent Fer Cools, purchased from a local flea market. -- Photo shows two cars in front of an impressive garage block with a dovecote, too clean to be in use. Both vehicles have no numberplates. The tyre in the centre background is 'Continental', suggesting Europe. In the UK numberplates became compulsory in 1904 so unlikely the photo was taken in UK. Flat dash with electric sidelights so the car is a cca 1912 Cadillac 30 Four Touring.

1912 Cadillac 30 Four Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1913 Peugeot Bebe Cabriolet
Photo received from Dean McCarthy (Eire) who has been going through family photo archive and came across this photo. The man in the photo is his Grandfather who was  supposed to have built this one "for speed". Would we know what car it is,  or is it really a home build ?  -- This little car looks very much like it was based on a cca 1913 Peugeot Bebe Cabriolet initially conceived by Ettore Bugatti. This would be the BP1 type. From this angle it has no mudguards  but otherwise  bit standard.

1913 Peugeot Bebe Cabriolet

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1914 Oakland Light Six Speedster
Photo received from John Carr of Brighton Colorado (USA) saying it is a picture of a friend's grandfather's race car. They have not been able to find anything about who made the car which they believe was built between 1910 and 1915. -- Many pointers suggest it is probably a cca 1914 Oakland Light Six Speedster: logo on the wheel, gap in the running board, 'bulge' forward of the rear wheel, dark section in the 'door, a windscreen strap stay just forward of the windscreen, flat spare tyre... 

cca 1914 Oakland Ligh Six Speedster

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1914 Straker Squire 15'20
Photo received from Alan Barnett (UK) which contains members of his wife's family. Probably taken in Tooting around 1916. Any suggestions would be very useful.  -- Quite an unusual car made in Fishponds, Bristol, by a company which had been making steam trucks and busses from 1899. Confirmed by Chris Thomas, who has a similar car, that this is a cca 1914 Starker Squire 15'20 Two Seater, dated by electric lighting. Company started cars in 1907 and this model was made '11 to 14.  Nice!

1914 Straker Squire 15'20 Two-Seater

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1920 Durkopp Tulip Bodied Phaeton
One more of a number of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania and Constanta. These are new photos to his collection. --This is quite a difficult one. Spitzkuhler radiator with a chisel front but rounded profile at the side of the header tank. Only a few contenders: Fadag, Puch and Durkopp. In view of a small square casing at the rear of the running board,  I think this is a cca 1920 Durkopp Tulip Bodied Phaeton.

cca 1920 Durkopp Tulip Bodied Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1924 Minerva Coupe Chauffeur
Cinema screen grab of a vehicle which appeared in a Belgian documentary "Publiek geheim: Impéria", Documentary, made in 2011, where the vehicles are being investigated by IMCDB. Storyline about the Belgian car company Imperia.   --  The car is from another of a number of Belgian manufacturers. This is a cca 1924 Minerva Coupe Chauffeur. Minerva started in 1897 in Antwerp manufacturing bicycles, motorised bicycles,  motorcycles and then cars.  Became Imperia 1934.

1924 Minerva Coupe Chauffeur

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:Perhaps a cca 1924 Darracq
Photo received from  John Pringle (UK) asking if we can identify the car owned by his grandfather in the 1920s. He was resident in the UK after 1923 and apparently owned two cars, a Minerva and a Delage. They think this might be the Minerva. The Spirit of Ecstasy emblem may be a distraction. -- Difficult one! Not a Rolls Royce, and our experts agree it is also neither a Minerva nor a Delage. However, two of our contributors agree on,  it could be from  cca 1924/5  either Talbot or  Darracq family.

Possibly cca 1925 Darracq Tourer

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1926 Citroen Model C Trefle
Photo received from R H Brooks (UK) of a car in front of Summerley Barn Cafe Felpham, which is near Bognor Regis in Sussex. The quality of the card isn't great as it is probably the best part of 100 years old, but he hopes we will be able to identify the vehicle. --  The registration appears to be YM 8163 which was issued by London County Council. The car is French possibly built in Slough UK as is RHD. The flat area directly behind the driver indicates that it is a 'Trefle', cca 1926 Citroen Model C.

1926 Citroen Model C Trefle

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1926 Riley 11'40 Sports
Photo received from Dean McCarthy (Eire) who has been going through family photo archive and came across this photo. The man in the photo is his Grandfather, a bit of a car nut, and the photo was taken in the garden of their house in Dublin. He believes the car on right is a Riley which would have been registered between 1903 and 1927.  -- The car on the right is indeed a Riley, a cca 1926 Riley 11/40 Two Seater Sports. IK 9321 was Dublic CC registration of  late 1926. Cost in 1926 £495 new!

1926 Riley 11'40 Two Seater Sports

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1927 Delage Salon
Photo received from Dean McCarthy (Eire) who has been going through family photo archive and came across this photo. The man in the photo is his Grandfather. He believes the car on the left is a Wolseley 15, registered between' 27 and '40. --  Not a Wolseley nor a Sunbeam but a 1927 Delage Saloon. The Marchal headlamps on stalks are the pointer. The badge is central on a very narrow header tank which suggests a D6 saloon; D1 saloons had a slightly taller tank. Z 275 is early 1927 Dublin.!

1927 Delage Saloon

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca1927 Hispano Suiza Sedanca de Ville
Another very interesting period photo received from Malcolm Fare (UK) who is writing a history of the parish of Hanley Castle and saying he would be grateful to know what make of vehicle is shown. -- Regretfully very grainy photo could not be improved so we cannot be absolutely positive on the identification. Possibly pre'30 Delage, but our John Warburton thinks, and we agree, probably a French cca 1927 Hispano Suiza 37.2HP  Sedanca  de Ville, coachwork probably by Kellner of Paris.

cca 1927 Hispano Suiza Sedanca de Ville

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1927 FIAT 509A Spyder
One more of a number of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania and Constanta. These are new photos to his collection. -- Nice to note that his new collection of Romanian cars includes another European car. Photos received so far, were all generally of American cars. This photo shows a Italian made car from Turin: Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino.  This looks a  cca 1927 Fiat 509A Two Seater  Spyder.

cca 1927 Fiat 509A Spyder

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1928 Pontiac Sport Phaeton
One more of a number of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania and Constanta. These are new photos to his collection. --This one was identified by our friend Mark Dawber in New Zealand via the AACA. The identification feature is the twiddly molding on the cowl just forward and below the windscreen. Typical of a cca 1928 Pontiac Sport Phaeton four door, this one with optional disc wheels. General Motors C.

1928 Pontiac Sports Phaeton

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:cca 1930 Nash Touring
One more of a number of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania and Constanta. These are new photos to his collection. --This was also not easy and needed the help of AACA. The enclosed wheel hub arrangement is quite specific and only seems to fit a short period. The car is a cca 1930/31 Nash. Most Nashes were saloons so this is Tourer/Convertible or Phaeton. Looks relatively small so probably a Six.

1931 Nash Touring

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING:1930 Citroen AC6 Cabriolet
One more of a number of photos received from Cicos Florin in Constanta by the Black Sea (Romania) who is interested in old cars of Romania and Constanta. These are new photos to his collection. -- Nice to note that his new collection of Romanian cars includes a European car. Photos received so far, were all generally of American cars. This photo shows a French car made in Paris, namely a cca 1930 Citroen AC6 Cabriolet. Citroen was the first mass producer of cars in Europe in 1919.

cca 1930 Citroen AC6 Cabriole

IDENTIFICATION AND DATING: cca 1936 Morris Eight Saloon
Photo received from Richard Steel (UK) of a car at an unknown location but featuring a cousin who had just arrived in England in June 1937. Could we identify the car? --  The registration appears to be AAP 420 which was issued by County Council of East Sussex. The car is English and inspired by the shape of the Ford Model Y. This is a Series I 1936 Morris Eight Two Door Saloon. Very popular car of which over 164,000 were  manufactured  between  1935 and  1938,  powered by a 918cc SV.

1936 Morris Eight Saloon

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